Steven Kotler and Jamie Wheal || On Ecstasis and Extraordinary States of Consciousness

The Psychology Podcast

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Social Sciences, Science

4.4 • 2K Ratings

🗓️ 23 February 2017

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Steven Kotler and Jamie Wheal, authors of the new book Stealing Fire, come on the show to discuss the life changing power of ecstatic altered states of mind. The authors have worked with extreme sports athletes, Silicon Valley innovators, and maverick scientists to understand how high performing people are using peak experiences (such as flow) to unlock human potential. We talk about the “altered states economy” and how people spend trillions of dollars a year seeking altered states of consciousness, the transformative experiences we get from festivals like Coachella, what we see in the brain when individuals are using substances like LSD, and the “Hyperspace Lexicon.” It’s a high-level discussion of extraordinary states of consciousness, made fun and interesting by three experts in the field. Enjoy! EASTER EGG: Listen to the very end of the podcast, after the music and outro, to hear a special interview between Steve and Jamie, which occurred while Scott was away! --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/the-psychology-podcast/support

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to the psychology podcast with Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman where we give you insights into the mind, brain, behavior, and creativity.
0:08.0	Each episode will feature a new guest who will stimulate your mind and give you a greater understanding of yourself, others, and the world we live in.
0:14.4	Hopefully we'll also provide a glimpse into human possibility.
0:17.6	Thanks for listening and enjoy the podcast. Just. Today it's my great pleasure to welcome Jamie Wheel and Stephen Kotler to the show.
0:43.2	Stephen Kotler is a New York Times best-selling author and award-winning journalist and the co-founder
0:47.8	director of research for the Flow Genome Project.
0:50.8	Jamie Wheel is an expert on peak performance and leadership, specializing in the neuroscience and application of flow states.
0:57.0	Together they have written the awesome book, Stealing Fire, how Silicon Valley, the Navy SEALs, and Maverick scientists are revolutionizing the way we live and work.
1:05.0	Thanks for chatting with me today guys.
1:07.0	Thanks for having us, Scott.
1:08.0	Really appreciate it.
1:10.0	Absolutely.
1:11.0	Yeah, what a really cool book.
1:12.0	It like really flows nicely and is really engrossing.
1:15.8	Where did you guys meet? Like, how did you guys like find each other? I'd love to know that. You know, Jamie and I independently had each put in over a
1:26.7	decade probably more studying flow states, right? Those states of optimal performance.
1:32.3	When I got convinced by a... right? Those states of optimal performance.
1:32.5	When I got convinced by a bunch of my academic friends
1:36.4	that there was no way to start a flow research project
1:39.3	inside of academia that the conditions just weren't right yet.
1:44.0	When I decided to kind of move it outside of academia and had sort of like put together,
1:48.0	you know, was looking for people to build this research project with.
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