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So you are there in Jordan with your team, including the man you're describing,

who was there not just involved in the Manhattan Project in the 40s,

but was there in New Mexico at this, what you're describing,

the Trinity site.

Oppenheimer calls it trinity where they were doing

the atomic bomb explosions so this guy was actually there right i mean this is coincidence this is

insane to me that's amazing and so he's there he sees sees this. So I toss it up to him.

He's the one that caught it coming up out of the trench.

And he looked at it.

It sounds like you're making it up.

I know you're not.

Yeah, I know, I know.

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