Gahy humans. Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas. Here's a dangerous idea for you. You are

an ape. I mean that in the kindest possible way. You are an ape. I am an ape. We homo sapiens are

apes. We are evolved creatures. We are mammals. So how much of what we do, how much of what we

think, how much of the way we behave and act is caused by the evolutionary imperatives that we

have inherited from tens of thousands of years as homo sapiens, hundreds of thousands of years

as homo sapiens and millions, hundreds of millions of years as homo sapiens, hundreds of thousands of years as homo sapiens and millions, hundreds of

millions of years as animals. Today's guest thinks quite a lot and it's fascinating because what

seems to be culturally constructed artifacts of our own civilization, whether that's differences

between the sexes or our propensity

for jealousy or war or tribalism or whatever it might be, may in fact lie deep inside our bones

and our genes and our meat. Steve Stewart Williams is a professor of psychology. He's the author

of the book's Darwin, God and the Meaning of Life, and more recently The Ape

that Understood the Universe.

Please enjoy this chat with the one and only, Steve Stewart Williams. I mean, you say that, like, some differences, like the differences between the sexes are things that everybody knows except for social scientists.

Yeah.

Which is a funny way of putting it.

Yeah.

What, why is that. Why is that?

Why is that?

I think the main thing is that there's a lot of resistance in academia, I think, to the idea that certain sex differences are products of anything other than nurture environment socialisation.

And I think the reason for that is that people worry.

I think understandably worry, but I think ultimately misguidedly worry that accepting that

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