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The Meb Faber Show - Better Investing

Steve Sjuggerud - “This is Not What the Peak of a Bull Market Looks Like" | #49

The Meb Faber Show - Better Investing

The Idea Farm

Management, Investing, Business

4.8978 Ratings

🗓️ 26 April 2017

⏱️ 77 minutes

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Summary

In Episode 49, we welcome Dr. Steve Sjuggerud. The conversation begins with Meb and Steve reminiscing about the origin of their friendship, which dates back some 10 years. This leads the guys into Steve’s background, and how he transitioned from being a broker into being the highly-popular investment newsletter writer he is today. Meb asks Steve to describe his investing framework. Similar to Meb, Steve likes both value and trend. Specifically, he looks for 3 things: assets that are “cheap,” “hated,” and “in an uptrend.” This methodology applies to all sorts of asset classes. The guys dig deeper into value and trend, leading to Steve ultimately to say, “If I had to choose between one or the other, I would actually choose momentum over value.” Meb agrees. Next, Meb asks how the world looks to Steve today. Is he buying? Defensive? Where’s he looking? And so on… Steve tells there are always reasons to sell or stay out of the market. Despite this, Steve’s thesis is that interest rates will stay lower than you can imagine, longer than you can imagine. And this will drive asset classes higher than we can imagine. We’re still not at absurd equity levels yet here in the U.S. – Steve says we’re maybe around the 7th or 8th inning of this bull market. But the biggest gains can often come at the end of a bull market, so there’s potentially more significant room to run. As the guys discuss this, the conversation tilts toward investor sentiment. They agree that irrational exuberance for this bull market simply doesn’t exist right now. There’s no euphoria. Steve sums it up simply: “This is not what the peak of a bull market looks like.” Yeah, valuations are high, but interest rates are near historic lows. Relative to bond yields, the equity values are far more reasonable. Investors need to compare returns to what you can get through other asset classes. The guys jump around a bit, touching upon the warning signs Steve will look for to tip him off as to when to bail on U.S. stocks, a discussion of the Commitment of Traders report and how to use it, and then a discussion of U.S. housing and how it’s a solid investment right now because housing starts are nowhere near what they need to be to equalize supply and demand.  The guys then turn toward foreign equities, where it appears that value and trend are lining up. Foreign has been cheap for a while, but it’s been underperforming. And now that appears to be changing. Meb asks Steve to tell us what he’s seeing – it generally boils down to one big thing: China. You’ll definitely want to listen to this part of the discussion, as Steve tells us about a revolution in mobile payments that’s already happened in China (and will likely happen here in the U.S.). But beyond that, Chinese stocks as a whole are now incredibly cheap. Even better, there are going to be tailwinds of adding Chinese stocks to a major index. I won’t get into the details here, but the analogy the guys use is having the teacher’s manual of a high school textbook with all the answers ahead of time. Best of all, Steve gives us the names of some actual ETFs that may benefit from this trend. There’s much more in this value-packed episode: gold and gold mining stocks… Steve’s investment in St. Gaudens coins… Steve’s surfboard and vintage guitar collections (including the story of a $30K guitar he bought and later sold for $72K)… And of course, Steve’s most memorable trade – which involved a painful 50% loss for Steve and his subscribers, all stemming from the lie of a certain global politician. Which politician and which lie? Find out in Episode 49. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Mebb Favor Show, where the focus is on helping you grow and preserve your wealth.

0:12.4

Join us as we discuss the craft of investing. helping you grow and preserve your wealth.

0:12.6

Join us as we discuss the craft of investing

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and uncover new and profitable ideas,

0:18.2

all to help you grow wealthier and wiser.

0:20.7

Better investing starts here.

0:23.0

Smith Baber is the co-founder and chief investment officer, Cambria Investment Management.

0:31.0

Due to industry regulations, he will not discuss any of Cambria's funds on this podcast.

0:36.8

All opinions expressed by podcast participants are solely their own opinions and do not reflect

0:41.3

the opinion of Cambria Investment Management or its

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affiliates. For more information visit cambria Investments.com.

0:48.6

Hello podcast listeners we are extremely lucky today to have one of my favorite people on the planet on the show

0:57.2

Steve Shugerud welcome

0:59.2

Thank you ma'am. Thanks for having me. So I'm here looking at your Skype photo, and it's a picture of you surfing somewhere.

1:06.6

Do you know where this photo is from, by the way?

1:08.6

No, no, I don't know what, it might be a picture from Nicaragua, but I don't know the picture that you're looking at but

1:13.1

yeah I've been fortunate to surf all over the world. We'll come back to surfing later

1:17.3

because that's a topic I know that's dear to your heart and interestingly

1:21.6

enough you know thinking back I, I think I met you almost, it's coming

1:26.3

on almost 10 years ago now when Steve sent me an email here in LA. Steve, you remember the first time we met up?

1:35.1

Absolutely, yeah. I was a huge fan of your work. Basically I felt like you were going

1:41.0

similar, going down similar roads that I was going down in research, but you were quite

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