Welcome to Doctrine and Devotion, the podcast that explores Christian faith and practice

from a reformed Baptist perspective.

My name is Joe Thorne.

I am the lead pastor of the German Fellowship in St. Charles, Illinois.

Jimmy is in Europe for the time being, but I think this is going to drop on a Thursday

and in just a few days, we will both be in California for the Southern Baptist Convention,

which is sort of a quinky dink, because we're talking to a guy from California.

His name is Steve Meister, and a lot of you guys already know who he is, Steve, man.

Thanks for coming on the show, thanks for being a part of the podcast.

Hey, brother, it's an honor to be with you.

Thanks for having me.

So we know each other only really through social media, right?

We connect it on social media.

We may have chatted or something.

Yeah, we have a little bit.

I was at a one duck and deva conference, I don't remember what year it was.

It was before the bid.

So I think it was 2019 or so.

Right, right, right.

And so, you know, I was, I was talking to a mutual friend, a fellow Californian.

Is that, is that a word?

I was talking to Richard Barcellos and I was like, listen, man, we need to start

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