Welcome to Doctrine and Devotion, a podcast that explores Christian faith and practice

from a reform to Baptist perspective.

My name is Joe Thorn.

I'm the lead pastor of the Duma Fellowship in St. Charles, Illinois.

And today we are excited to bring back some of these second time on the podcast.

And so, once you give a welcome to Pastor Steve Meister, Steve is one of the preaching

pastors at a manual Baptist church in Sacramento, California.

Steve, thanks for risking at all your reputation, your character, any associations that were

valuable in the past are now probably going to be damaged because of this, but thanks

for coming on.

Man, we appreciate it.

Hey, it's great to be with you brother and really appreciate the repeat invite.

It doesn't happen often for me, so you're either very brave or foolish, we'll find out.

Well, you know, it turns out that you were the last guy on the list.

I had like, I only had like 57 people on the list and nobody wanted to come up.

No, man, I loved having you on.

I'm always encouraged by you, challenged by you.

And I've just been thinking about some stuff and I know you're thinking about them because

they see you tweeting about them.

And so I thought like, well, let's just get Steve on the show again and we'll talk a little

bit about, but what's going on and how we can begin to think about it and maybe grow

together, you know, it seems like there's a whole lot of Christians out there that almost

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