Ladies and gentlemen, we invite you to meet the prettiest depressed.

Election A2000, the day when red and blue America, as we know it, was born.

That's what my colleague Steve Kornacky writes in his new book, The Red and the Blue.

Why were the 90s the spark for political tribalism?

And between the Clintons, New King, Rijon Ross, Perot, how did we get to Donald Trump?

Steve?

Welcome.

I think you were a return visitor.

First time.

First time in the podcast.

First time in the podcast.

Ah, very nice.

OK.

My favorite, first of all, did you delve into the history of which party became the red party

and which party became the blue party?

And the fight, I say this because, you know, there's always was a fight until 2000 about which party gets to be the blue.

And which party gets to be the red?

And I've heard conflicting stories about what brought that about.

And of course, it wasn't always even just blue and red.

There were nights way in the past when yellow was a color.

If you go back to the 1972 when they tried to do a map back then, I've heard different people take credit for it.

The earliest reference I could find on air to that term being used in direct reference to the parties.

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