I have a question. How do people see numbers? numbers. And here to talk about numbers at a number of different levels is our good friend Steve Chicalanti.

He's written a two-volume book set on numbers, Volume 1 and 2 of the Divine Code.

And Steve, welcome back to Prophecy Watchers.

What a pleasure to be here.

How do people see numbers?

I think people see numbers all the time and not sure.

They're not sure why they see it or why it repeatedly comes to them. I just recently met a

Christian brother who I was really into prophecy, really into end times, but he said, you know, Pastor Steve,

I just keep seeing 420 and 421. So he sees it everywhere. He sees it on license plate, on

clocks. He says, what does it mean?

And I said, well, numbers have to point to the Lord, not point to, you know, anything else.

So it turns out that when he investigated it a little bit, it turns out the Lord was speaking to him.

You know, out of the Bible, he was supposed to see Proverbs chapter 4, verse 20, my son attend to my words,

incline thine ears into my sayings, keep them in the midst of thy heart, don't let them depart out

of your sight. And he said, that was exactly what he needed to hear because he had been so distracted.

In fact, he had been so into prophecy back in the 80s and 90s that he got disappointed and kind of

stopped following prophecy but the Lord was saying to him you don't have to stop but you need to

put your focus on Jesus and on the Word and he got that message through 420 and 421 is that

amazing that is amazing in fact somebody was trying to get his attention. That's right. And they did. Steve is a pastor.

He is from Melbourne, Australia, and he is a Bible teacher, but he also has an amazing way of

looking at numbers. How did you get started doing this? If I have to go back and think about

when I started teaching numbers, maybe it was the number 19. Number 19 really stood out early in

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