Ladies and gentlemen, Chris Van Fleet.

You've been so busy today already. Like, as we were just setting up for this interview, your phone must have rang like 15 times or something. I get a lot of calls with bail bonds. Yeah, so tell people that might not know. What are you doing now? Well, after I got out of wrestling, I had an MMA school. I had that for about 13 years. And then once my kids were born,

I just didn't have the time for that. But I had also started a bail bonds business two years or three

years after the MMA started. So I've been focusing on my bail bonds business for the last 17 years now.

So if someone needs bail, you come in and you put it up. Is that how this works?

Yeah, they pay a percent.

You put up enough assets to write a certain amount of bails or you write through an insurance company and they licensed you to do a certain amount of bails. But I mean, when I first started,

it was all on your own. Then the insurance companies got involved six years ago and don't even get

me started on that. That kind of screwed everything up but nevertheless like i'm fortunate in harrisburgs because i know everybody at m mma school here at bail bonds business i've lived here many years so i get a lot of bails out of this county and if they don't pay bail you go and break their legs or well we're supposed to go track them down and in the beginning that's actually why I started the bail business. When I had the MMA school, there's fighters of mine, which I had dozens and dozens of fighters. They're always broke. So they're like, Black, man, what can we do to make some money? I'm like, let me think on it. So I came up with, well, let's start doing bounty hunting. So when I did my homework and I saw, well, you know what, I can put up more money and make a lot more money doing bails and I can just tracking people down.

Plus, I don't feel like sitting there and staring somebody's house for a week either.

So that's how that came about.

I can't imagine being chased down by Steve Blackman.

Well, in the beginning, don't hold me to it, but this number's close.

In the first few years, I took in 88 guys myself and my other bounty hunters took in the same

number.

It was like funny because we took in almost the exact same number together.

176 guys we took it in the first three years. That's just brutal. Then you start learning how to

get better co-signers, more co-signers, get people to post bails that own something, have something

to lose. So if the person doesn't show up, you go after them for it or you just hound them

until they turn the person in.

What is your actual discipline in MMA? Well, I did multiple things. I did. I did karate and boxing through high school and when I was in college. I was playing baseball college and stuff, but I still

did boxing and karate there. I did a few years of wrestling. I always focused on submission

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