I kind of wanted to talk to you about common, I guess I'm going to call them common excuses

that people give for going on steroids.

The first one is, which I heard a lot, is I've hit my natural limit.

So the next step is just obviously I'm just going to go on.

So what percentage of people do you think actually have achieved that natural limit?

Oh, I think that's, that's tough because I guess if you want to say the actual natural limit, I think pretty much

everyone can incrementally eke out progress by further optimizing. So I would say it's pretty close to

zero. But I would say with the context of probably what you're actually asking,

which is like 95 to 99% and what people actually would consider their ceiling,

I would still say it's like single digit percentage, probably.

And a lot of people when they think they've reached their limit,

it's often coming from a naive point of view whereby they

have not actually optimized training diet, especially sleep hygiene.

I see a lot of people talking on the internet about training and diet, which is critical,

obviously, but sleep often goes heavily neglected to a point that it leads to hypercortis cortisolemia,

low testosterone or lower testosterone, inhibited fat loss, body comp, just not as good as it could be

by a significant margin.

So yeah, I think a lot of people are leaving a bit, you know, a fair bit on the table before they go the enhanced throat.

And I'm guilty of that as well.

You know, I started earlier than I should have.

It's just like the prime example of like impatience.

I would assume just assuming that you already like max out the addie.

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