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The Heidi St. John Podcast

Stepping Back Won’t Save Us with Andrew Mclennan

The Heidi St. John Podcast

Heidi St. John

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.83.7K Ratings

🗓️ 25 March 2026

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

There’s a growing belief that if America just pulls back, we’ll somehow find peace—but history says otherwise. Today I’m talking about why retreat creates a vacuum, what fills it, and why our influence still matters. Andrew Mclennan joins me with a perspective from outside the U.S. that might just wake you up.

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0:00.0

There's a growing idea in our culture that America should shrink back and mind her own business

0:05.1

and disengage from the world stage, as if what happens beyond our borders has no bearing

0:10.5

on what happens within them.

0:12.2

It sounds simple and it sounds humble and it sounds America first, but it's not wise and it's

0:18.6

not true.

0:19.2

This is the Heidi St. John podcast.

0:20.5

I'm going to tackle America's

0:22.1

role in the world today. And I'm going to be joined a little bit later by my friend Andrew McLennon.

0:27.1

He's a radio host on Australia's only nationwide Christian station. He's got a lot to say about

0:33.3

the role of America in the world. And I think you're going to really be blessed by what he has to say.

0:37.8

And in fact, when I finished this interview with Andrew, I told him, I said, man, I think you

0:42.9

are actually here today for such a time as this. If you're discouraged by what you see going on

0:47.8

in the United States right now and the division that clearly the enemy is orchestrating,

0:53.2

this podcast is for you. This is the Heidi

0:55.2

St. John podcast. Stick around. I think you're going to be encouraged. All right, there's a lot of people right now out in the blogosphere on the

1:19.1

codpass bill and all over the United States talking about our role in Israel and whether

1:25.1

or not we should have gone to Iran. Obviously, you guys know my, my view on that.

1:31.2

I'll talk about that more in just a minute. But I want to start today by talking about our role in

1:36.0

the world because the reality is the United States has always had a role to play in the world.

1:41.9

You're going to find out more about that in just a few minutes from Andrew as he joins us from Australia. And our role in the world has been played out not

1:49.8

because we are better than other nations, but because we have been uniquely positioned,

1:55.2

blessed with resources, with influence, and with the foundation that is rooted in the understanding that our rights

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