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Slack.com slash DHQ. So I'm really excited about my guest today because there's this big

debate on the right about how we move forward when things seem to be falling apart. And

as I spoke about before, it seems like we are entering what they call a post-Christian

world, but it was really a pre-Christian pagan world. And a lot of people are wondering

how we can get back the ideas of virtue and the practice of virtue that the founders

knew was so essential to our freedom. Stephen Wolfe has written a really provocative

book called The Case for Christian Nationalism. You will remember that we were being condemned.

Everybody on the right was being condemned for being Christian nationalist. Stephen Wolfe

says, yeah, he is a country scholar at Wolfeshire in Central North Carolina where he lives

with his wife and four children. And he recently finished a post-doctoral fellowship at Princeton.

Princeton University's James Madison program. He co-hosts the podcast, ours, Politica. Stephen

Wolfe, thank you so much for coming on.

Yeah, thank you for having me on. So since Christian nationalism has become virtually

a slur on the left, maybe you could start by just giving us something of your definition

of what Christian nationalism even means.

Yeah, I mean, the simplest definition is that it's simply a nation or a Christian nation

that has chosen to arrange itself and act for its good. And that good is both earthly

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