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The Dishcast with Andrew Sullivan

Stephen Fry On Depression And Loving Life

The Dishcast with Andrew Sullivan

Andrew Sullivan

Politics, News, Religion & Spirituality

4.6836 Ratings

🗓️ 12 July 2024

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Stephen Fry is a legendary British actor, comedian, director, writer, and narrator. His TV shows include “A Bit of Fry & Laurie,” “Jeeves and Wooster,” and “Blackadder,” and his films include Wilde, Gosford Park, and Love & Friendship. His Broadway career includes “Me and My Girl” and “Twelfth Night.” He’s produced several documentary series, including “Stephen Fry: The Secret Life of the Manic Depressive,” and he’s the president of Mind, a mental health charity. He has written 17 books, including three autobiographies, and he narrated all seven of the Harry Potter books. You can find him on Substack at The Fry Corner — subscribe!

For two clips of our convo — on the profound pain of bipolar depression, and whether the EU diminishes Englishness — pop over to our YouTube page. Other topics: growing up in Norfolk; his mom’s Jewish ancestry in Central Europe; her dad facing anti-Semitism after fighting in WWI and coming to England to train farmers; embracing Englishness; family members lost to the Holocaust; Disraeli; the diversity of Tory PMs; Stephen’s wayward youth; wanting to become a priest as a teen; growing up gay in England; the profound influence of Oscar Wilde and his trials; Gore Vidal on puritanism; Cavafy; Auden; E.M. Forster; Orwell; Stephen’s bipolarism; the dark lows and manic highs; my mum’s lifelong struggle with that illness; dementia; her harrowing final days; transgenerational trauma; Larkin’s “This Be the Verse”; theodicy; the shame of mental illness; Gen Z’s version of trauma; the way Jesus spoke; St. Francis; the corruption and scandals of the Church; Hitchens; the disruption of Silicon Valley and the GOP; Chesterton’s hedge metaphor for conservatism; Burke and Hayek; Oakeshott; coastal elites and populist resentment; the Iraq War and the 2008 financial crisis; Stephen writing jokes for Tony Blair; Brexit and national identity; Boris Johnson; Corbyn and anti-Semitism; Starmer’s victory and his emphasis on stability; Labour’s new super-majority; and Sunak’s graceful concession.

Browse the Dishcast archive for an episode you might enjoy (the first 102 are free in their entirety — subscribe to get everything else). Coming up: Lionel Shriver on human limits and resentment, Anne Applebaum on autocrats, Eric Kaufmann on reversing woke extremism, and Bill Wasik and Monica Murphy on animal cruelty. (Van Jones’ PR team canceled his planned appearance.) Please send any guest recs, dissents, and other comments to [email protected].

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The

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The Hi there.

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And welcome to a special dishcast, one I've been looking forward to for a very long time.

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Stephen Fry is here. He's an actor, comedian, director,

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writer. I mean, there are so many things he is. He's had amazing television shows, including

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a bit of Frye and Laurie, Jeeves and Worcester, Black Adder. Films include Wild and Gosford Park.

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His Broadway career includes me and my girl in 12th night. He's done several documentary

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series, including Stephen Frye, The Secret Life of the Bannock Depressive and the travel series

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Stephen Frye in America. He was also the long-running host of the BBC quiz program, QI,

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and he's written 17 books because he didn't have time to do anything

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else of course including three autobiographies and he's narrated and this is this is this is

1:19.8

where my niece and nephew worship this man he narrated all seven of the Harry Potter books

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if you've listened to Harry Potter books in Stephen's voice,

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you will always remember it. And now, at the pinnacle of his career, of course, as we all do,

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he goes to Substack. He's on Substack in the Fry Corner, and it's going to be a fantastic thing

1:43.5

to talk to him again today, talk to him, period.

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I just want to remind you we have coming up, we have Eric Kaufman on how liberalism, not wokeism,

1:54.1

is really the problem.

1:56.0

Anne Applebaum on the rise of various autocrats across the world.

2:01.7

Bill Wasek and Monica Murphy,

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on how Americans have changed their attitudes towards animals,

2:08.8

and animal cruelty, this theme this dishcast has often pursued,

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