This is Darwin's historical scientific method. When you're trying to explain an event in the

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new digital information, we know of a cause that can do that, and it's a mind or an intelligence.

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It just takes a couple of minutes and you're doing the responsible thing. PolicyGenius.com. Go check them out right now. Well, Stephen, thanks so much for joining the Ben Shapiro show. Absolutely. So let's start from the very beginning. Yeah. Because people are going to ask. So you talk a lot about evolution and science. Obviously, your books, Darwin's Doubt and Signature in the Cell, are both heavily scientific.

So what is your scientific background so folks know?

Well, I started in double majored in physics and geology.

And then I worked as a geophysicist for five years in industry and went from there to do the program in the philosophy of science,

specifically philosophy of biology at Cambridge University where my PhD dissertation was on the

origin of life problem, which is a very interdisciplinary question. How did life first arise

from presumably the non-living chemicals. So it's got a biochemistry,

molecular biology, thermodynamics, information theory. It's a question that has lots of different

subjects involved. So it was a very interdisciplinary PhD. Okay. So with all of that said,

if you go to your Wikipedia page, the first thing that it says is that you're the advocate

of a pseudo, a pseudo scientific theory called intelligent design. So let's start with a couple of questions on that.

First of all, people suggest that you are a creationist. What is the difference between intelligent

design, the argument for intelligent design, and creationism? Right. Well, creationism

holds that, it takes the Bible as the basis of the theory. So creationism is an interpretation or a deduction from religious authority, whereas intelligent design is an inference from biological and physical cosmological evidence. So the one starts from the data of the natural world, the other starts

from scripture. The other difference is that most creationists hold to a view that the

earth is very young, was created maybe 10,000 years ago or something like that. ID itself is an

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