This is The Guardian.

Hey, it's Carter Sherman here, host of The Guardian's new podcast, StateSight with

Kai and Carter.

Today we're bringing you one of our latest episodes.

It looks at why the political and legal fight over abortion pills in the U.S.

is really just at the beginning.

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What I see in terms of anti-abortion movement rhetoric is that I fear that there is going to be a

continued push to criminalize the abortion patient. Ten years ago, this was almost unthinkable

that the anti-abortion rights movement would say out loud that a strategy for reducing the number

of abortions was to put abortion seekers or abortion

patients in jail. But now we're seeing more and more of this conversation in the press, and we're

also seeing state legislatures taking this up.

From The Guardian, this is Stateside.

I'm Carter Sherman.

I'm Kai Wright.

Today, the fight over abortion pills is just beginning.

Kai, as you know, before I entered the glorious world of podcasting with this show, I covered gender and sexuality for 10 years. So I wanted to bring you a fact you might not know. In the years since the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade,

abortions in the U.S. have actually gone up, not down. In 2024, for example, there were more

than 1.1 million abortions in the United States, which is the highest number on record in recent years.

Wow. So I had heard they'd gone up, but I didn't realize by quite that much. Is that considered a surprising victory in the abortion rights movement?

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