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American History Hit

Staten Island v. New York City | Revisionist History

American History Hit

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America, History

4.31.8K Ratings

🗓️ 10 July 2026

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

On the 250th anniversary of the United States, Revisionist History, bestselling author Malcolm Gladwell’s podcast about things overlooked and misunderstood, investigates the story of what was, at the time, the biggest secession movement in the U.S. since the Civil War. The Staten Island Problem reconstructs the battle for New York City amidst the turbulent early 1990s — the rise of Rudy Giuliani, the peak of the homicide rate, the Wu-Tang Clan, young Donald Trump, and the first Black mayor of New York — all through the prism of the city’s Forgotten Borough. Staten Island’s secession movement is an early example of the politics of resentment that dominates America today and asks: what do you do when a democracy looks like it’s falling apart? Here’s episode 1. David Dinkins, the first Black mayor of New York City, faces off with the borough president of Staten Island, and tries to hold his city together. Find more episodes of Revisionist History: The Staten Island Problem wherever you get podcasts.

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0:29.7

Hello there. It's Don here. I've got a podcast I'm very excited about sharing with you.

0:34.9

With America reaching her 250th anniversary of independence this year,

0:39.1

revisionist history bestselling author Malcolm Gladwell's podcast about things overlooked and misunderstood

0:45.0

explores the story of what was once the biggest secession movement in the U.S.

0:50.1

since the Civil War. This secession movement happened on a large island in New York City Harbor

0:55.8

and set in motion a chain of events that led to so much of the politics of resentment

1:00.6

so prevalent in America today.

1:02.7

The island I speak of is Staten Island.

1:05.7

All New Yorkers and many Americans know it's there,

1:09.5

but so few understand what goes on there,

1:12.4

other than a free ferry ride past the Statue of Liberty.

1:15.1

But this series, aptly named the Staten Island Problem, takes us further inside that world.

1:20.9

It's hosted by Revisionist History's senior producer Ben Nodafafri.

1:25.7

Over the course of five episodes, he reconstructs the battle

1:28.9

for New York City amidst the turbulent early 1990s, looking into the rise of Rudy Giuliani,

1:35.1

peak of the homicide rate, the Wu-Tang Clan, and a young Donald Trump. The Staten Island

1:41.1

problem asks, what do you do when a democracy looks like it's falling apart?

1:45.6

And what happens when an unhappy minority manages to take over?

1:50.5

Here's episode one of the Staten Island problem.

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