Welcome to the Global Phenomenon, Surviving the Survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist Joel Waldman.

What's up, SDSD.S. Nation, and welcome to another episode of Surviving the Survivor, the

podcast that promises to bring you the very best guess in true crime. And tonight we get to one of the biggest true crime

stories America has ever seen. Of course that is Brian Coburgers a

quadruple murder case out of Moscow, Idaho. It is heating up now with

discussion of the use of investigative genetic genealogy to capture the accused killer. It is something one of our guests

tonight has written about. This as prosecutors say they are going to seek the death

penalty in the Brian Coburger murder case.

We want to remind everyone that Brian Coburger is presumed innocent until proven guilty in the court of law.

No one knows that better than the two women guests and

speaking of best guests we've got Tara Malik she is an Idaho licensed attorney

practicing in state and federal court and business and commercial litigation.

She has experience in both civil and criminal law and has one of the best

ivy grass backgrounds you will ever see.

Gene Fisher, the woman who looks like she's coming from a nice warm Idaho porch.

That is one of the goats of all prosecutors.

After nearly 33 years of service at the Ada County Prosecutor's Office,

she was head of the Special Crimes Unit

during law school.

Jean interned at the prosecutor's office

before being hired directly out of law school

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