This is Rebecca LaVoy and I will be hosting the Undisclosed Dendom episodes on the Pam

Podcasts. His first hit was Ponzi Supernova, a six episode audio series about Bernie Madoff, and then Empire on Blood, a six part series about justice in the Bronx is his current hit podcast.

Over the course of his career, Steve has covered the criminal justice system, including wrongful convictions, corrupt officials, financial misdeeds.

He has a distinctive noir voice, and he also owns a bar in Brooklyn called Erbs,

which is one of my favorite things about him. Steve, thank you so much for joining a dendom.

Thanks for having me. I hope we get to meet at Earth sometimes soon.

I hope so too. Also with us is Rabia Chaudry. She's one of the hosts of Undesclosed. She's the author of The New York Times bestseller at Nonstory and a co-host of the 45th podcast.

And as of last week, she is one of the partners at Chaudry and Ann Warren Immigration Law firm.

Congratulations on your new venture, Rabia, and thank you for talking to me.

Thank you. I'm so excited and I know that was going to be part of the intro. I'm still getting used to it myself.

And I just realized we get discounts on drinks at Irves with a certain password. Is that right?

I'm not I'm not alcoholic, but who can I get?

You're a great friend.

We can we cater to all tastes and actually we're running a little trivia contest about Empire on Blood.

Now you have to answer in the fifth episode.

What is the private detective's favorite drink?

And then you get a discount on that drink.

I used to live about 10 blocks north of where Irves is in Brooklyn. So that's interesting.

Is that right? Where?

I lived right there at sort of the corner of Eastern Parkway and Washington Avenue and you know, prospect Heights, Crown Heights.

There you go. Yeah, you would we would be one of your local ones. We're sorry you left.

The onion, the the the layers of the onion that is Colin Miller continue to umpill.

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