Welcome to the undisclosed Addendum, the companion podcast to the new Undisclosed series, The State versus Greg Lance.

I'm Rebecca Lavoie. I'll be hosting this series. I'm the host of a podcast called Crime Writers on,

and you also may know me as the audio producer of the main episodes

of Undisclosed. And we have our guest this week, some that you know and some we haven't heard

from in a little while. We've got Rabia Chaudry, an attorney, author of the New York Times

bestseller Adnan's story, and one of the hosts of the Undisclosed podcast and the lead reporter

on this series.

Hi, Rabia.

Hey, Rebecca. How are you?

I'm great. And it's really fun to hear this series to come to fruition, considering that I

actually saw you in person in Tennessee when you were researching it, right?

Some of it, yeah, that's right.

Also with us is Colin Miller, aka Legal Siri. He's an associate dean and professor at the University of South Carolina School of Law and one of the hosts of Undisclosed. Hey, Colin.

Hey, Rebecca. How are you? I'm great. And also with us that I'm thrilled to have him because I think his experience is particularly relevant for this episode is Bob Ruff, the creator and host of the Truth and Justice podcast?

Of course, prior to shifting his work towards investigating wrongful convictions,

Bob was a firefighter.

He spent 15 years in the fire service.

And when he took an early retirement in 2016, he held the rank of Fire Chief.

He has a degree in fire science and served as the director of the fire science program at Southwestern

Michigan College. In that role, Bob taught classes ranging from firefighting strategies

and tactics to arson investigation. Hello, Bob. It's awesome talking to you.

Hey, Rebecca. Thank you so much for having me. Now, just to give a quick overview of the first episode in this series, it's called Fully

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