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I'm Rebecca LaVoy and this is Crime Riders on the podcast about other podcasts and also

about journalism, pop culture, true crime, and this week an update on the state's appeal

of a non-ciad's vacated conviction.

We'll also chat about the latest episode of Missing Richard Simmons and then we'll look

at HBO's newest Who Done It Many series Big Little Lies.

So joining me right now is the host of These Are Their Stories, Law and Order Podcast,

my true crime co-author, real life husband, and super driving super dad, Kevin Flynn.

Hello Kevin.

Rebecca I'm going to you'll notice that when I drink my glass I'm using two hands just

like the president.

Oh, okay.

Also joining us is journalist true crime author, former defense investigator, licensed

PI and totally non competitive Monterey mom, Laura Bricker.

Hello Laura.

Hello.

Also rounding out the panel is the very talented noir novelist and tell it like it is champion.

Toby ball.

Good evening Toby.

Papa Kabar, Rebecca.

I feel like we went next level there.

What was that?

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