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little bit. So here's the deal we we're going to have an exciting episode entirely about the coronavirus but we had to postpone that.

So fingers crossed it won't be cured by the time our guest comes on. That's a horrible thing to say. I'm kidding I'm kidding.

But we've also been planning for a long time to do sort of a sort of catch up on what's going on in the Dispatch plus just regular rank

punditry with my partner in crime Steve Hayes the CEO and also editor of the Dispatch. I'm the editor in chief. It gets very

business team trying to figure out lines of authority. Basically everything is kind of like a dark night joke or

tryout with pool cues. But anyway Steve thank you for walking all the way from your desk. I have it be here. I mean basically it works like I

report to you and then you report to me. Yeah and then I probably circle back and report to you again. Yeah or the

organizational flow chart kind of looks like a mobius strip. It's weird. So we are recording this the day of the Iowa caucuses and we are both

straining to contain our excitement. It doesn't make sense to like go too far out on the limb with some punditry on this because by the time this airs

will actually know what it is. And so why why make yourself look like an idiot by making too many predictions. But what's your

basics lay of the side to the lay. What's your prediction. There's no point in me making prediction. But you're the season veteran reporter so you can go ahead.

No I was I mean I was thinking about this as I was driving in today. I mean what what are the real challenges is I think this is the first time I haven't been on the ground in Iowa in

2024 years something like that. And it does feel different for the I mean for the Iowa caucuses. Yeah I mean if if you've spent time there and you've done a lot

or reporting and you're used to crisscrossing the straight state and driving all over and hitching rides with interns and doing the whole the whole thing really taking in the caucuses. I do feel like I don't

know nearly as much because I haven't done any of that. So with that caveat at the beginning I guess I'm more or less by the argument that there's a there's something going on with Bernie Sanders here which I think is now

jelled into conventional wisdom over the past couple of weeks as you look at pulling in Iowa in New Hampshire actually a pull out in the post and career in

South Carolina that showed Bernie Sanders closing what was at once a huge gap between Sanders and Joe Biden. So I guess I buy the idea that that he's going to do well I mean certainly he's expected to get one of the three

year for tickets out of Iowa I think he has a shot at winning it and then I think the question will be you know how well does Joe Biden do if he has a if he has a really bad showing does that

sort of accelerate the panic that I think we will see to a certain extent we are already seeing in the Democratic establishment with the prospect of a Bernie Sanders nominee.

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