This is the Kainter Daily Podcast for Wednesday, November 20th, 2019.

I'm Caleb Brown.

Building a system to substantially curtail onerous occupational licensing means some licenses going away in the normal course of affairs.

A few states have begun implementing so-called sunset reviews to end some licenses altogether,

and 2020 may be a big year for reform.

Erica Jettinac is Director of Employment Initiatives for Stand Together.

We spoke last month in Colorado Springs.

Anyone who listens to this podcast regularly will know the basic broad strokes of occupational licensing

and how it is progressive regulation for the most part but to what extent are states

cognizant of that today in a way that they might not have been four or five years ago?

Yeah so I I think states are looking at it more than ever.

The National Conference of State Legislatures just finished up their two-year

consortium of over half a dozen states who are actively working on this but we haven't seen

the real structural reform that's needed meaning a full review process there's only

been about four states that have gone through a complete review of their

hundreds of licenses.

Okay, so there are states vary in what they choose to license and what they don't and I guess my

cynical view is that well those lobbies are relatively less or more competent in those states to try to get those kinds of licenses passed.

But when you talk about a structural reform, I assume you're talking about going through a process where a lot of licenses just as a matter of policy

Just go away over some time period because they do not demonstrate on an ongoing basis benefits to consumers.

Yes, so we call it a sunset review and so in some states it could be every three years all licenses they go away unless the

legislature renews them.

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