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Hi, Benjamin Thompson from the Nature podcast here. Welcome to a special bonus episode of starting up in

science. Now, this one is a bit different from the main four

podcast in the series. Here we're going to go behind the scenes and do a deep dive into how

four nature reporters follow the wins and losses and the trials and tribulations of two

researchers. One of those reporters was me, but I'm joined by the other three. Kerry Smith. Hello.

Heidi Lefford. Hello.

And Richard Van Norton. Hello. Now I guess we're about to start discussing it, but just a quick

PSA for the listeners. Before you go any further, I really suggest you go back and listen to the

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