Hello, everybody. Welcome to Three Point Perspective, the podcast about illustration, how to do it,

how to make a living at it, and how to make an impact in the world with your art. I'm Jake Parker.

I'm not Lee White, but I am Will Terry and all three of us are professional illustrators.

We've all published for all the major

publishers in the business. We've together published somewhere around 75 children's books. We've all

taught illustration at university art schools. And Lee's on assignment today. He's on assignment.

We don't know what he's assigned to be doing, but he's doing it well. Watercoloring or something. Have you seen the watercolors he's on assignment we don't know what he's assigned to be doing but he's doing watercoloring or

something have you seen the watercolors he's been doing posted online pretty cool they're awesome

but we we have eric castlemann in the house and eric is special and near and due to us because

he is a working professional who got his start through

SVS Learn. And he tells a little bit about that story here. But this, I don't know at this

point if this is going to be a two-parter or a one-parter. All I know is we talked to him for

almost two hours here. And he just has a lot to a lot to say because he's a he's a guy who became a

professional illustrator in his 30s after already having a career being a welder. Well then a stay-at-home

dad. So really fascinating stuff. What was one of your big takeaways from this, Will?

I'm unprepared for that because we talked about so many things.

Yeah.

Probably I would say, and part of this is, you know,

and me talking to him privately as well,

but how he is rolling with adapting to changes in our industry.

We do get into that about talking about AI generated art and finding out that he was so worried and like it's all over AI is going to kill us all, you know, and then how he's thriving

right now. So that's probably my biggest takeaway. Yeah. And I love that he brought his dad into

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