My name is Stan. I'm at. Nice to meet you. So you took up photography where? I've always loved

photography but I turn it into earning a living at 60. I enrolled on a day course.

Well college. I loved going to college. It's good you can retry. I'm enrolled on the day course. But college?

I loved going to college.

It's good you can retrain and do something.

Yeah, yeah.

Let's talk about working, learning, saving and making the most of living longer.

Phoenix Group is the UK's largest long-term savings and retirement business.

Search Phoenix Group living longer.

This episode is brought to you by Bird's Eye Chicken Dippers.

Whether you like cooking or parenting podcasts, it's safe to say we've all got different tastes,

and that's fine.

So wherever you dip your chicken dippers in,

ketchup, mayo or even gravy, it's all good.

If you're after a convenient and tasty mealtime or snack,

then pick up some bird's eye chicken dippers at a major supermarket today.

For chicken worth dipping, it better be bird's eye. Good morning. Welcome to the bunker and the substantial meals edition of Start Your Week.

I'm Andrew Harrison.

Before we start, firstly, our Christmas online market is open for one week only

at podmarket.co.uk, for all your politically obsessed presents needs.

We've got mugs, t-shirts, face coverings,

and even baby grows from the bunker,

...