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Inside Briefing with the Institute for Government

Starmer vs the Labour rebels

Inside Briefing with the Institute for Government

Institute for Government

News, Politics, Government

4.6252 Ratings

🗓️ 27 June 2025

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

The government’s controversial plans to cut the welfare budget have caused serious disquiet on the Labour benches. Luke Sullivan, former political director to Keir Starmer, joins the IfG podcast to explore how serious a problem this is for Keir Starmer - and how the government got itself into this situation.It isn’t just Labour MPs that are giving No10 a headache. Apparently civil servants are too - because No10 has issued new guidance demanding that civil servants no longer speak on panels at public events. So what’s the thinking behind this heavy handed approach - and does it add up?  Presented by Cath Haddon With Alex Thomas and Tim Durrant. Produced by Candice McKenzie Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Inside Briefing the podcast from the Institute for Government. I'm Catherine Haddon.

0:14.7

A government working majority of 165 means the Prime Minister will never lose a vote, right?

0:20.1

Well, maybe not. The government's

0:21.6

controversial plans to cut the welfare budget have caused serious disquiet on the Labour benches.

0:26.6

The revolt is growing by the day, and at the time of recording, with more than 120 Labour MPs

0:31.9

joining the rebellion against the planned £5 billion worth of cuts, although I should say, but with stories coming out now

0:39.5

that the government might concede on aspects. So just how serious is this for Kirstama? How has the

0:46.0

government got itself into this situation and what comes next? We'll crunch the numbers. It isn't

0:52.2

just Labour MPs that are giving number 10 a headache. Apparently,

0:56.2

civil servants are too, because number 10 has issued new guidance, demanding that civil

1:00.1

servants no longer speak on panels at public events. In fact, because of this edict, we had to

1:05.9

cancel an IFG event this week. So what's the thinking behind this slightly heavy-handed approach and does

1:12.4

it add up? We will find out. Two IFG program directors are with me today. Tim Durant, who leads

1:19.6

our minister's work and Alex Thomas, director of our civil service team. Hi, both. Hi, Kath.

1:25.3

And I'm delighted that we're joined today for his IFG podcast debut by Luke Sullivan,

1:30.3

a veteran of the Labour WIPP's office, former political director to Kier-Starma, and now a

1:34.9

director at Headland Consultancy. Thanks very much for joining us. Any FOMO on a week like this,

1:40.9

Luke? Absolutely not. It's watching on from afar like everybody else.

1:48.5

But yeah, it's interesting to watch it and not be a participant anymore.

1:54.3

Yeah, and hopefully more interesting to talk about it.

1:57.6

Okay, well, let's dig in.

1:59.3

Alex, can you give us a quick primer on welfare? What's on the table

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