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Inside Briefing with the Institute for Government

Starmer vs Robbins: Why the Mandelson row keeps getting worse

Inside Briefing with the Institute for Government

Institute for Government

News, Government, Politics

4.5278 Ratings

🗓️ 23 April 2026

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

Seven days in, Westminster is still consumed by the Peter Mandelson vetting scandal. The PM has had his say. Olly Robbins - the permanent secretary that Starmer dismissed - has also given his account. So where does this leave Keir Starmer?  Foreign Office permanent secretary Peter Ricketts joins the podcast team to work out where a week of blame and counter-blame has left the government - and what it means for an already damaged relationship between civil servants and ministers. Plus: new IfG research on how civil servants should handle policy making in major crises. Hosted by Hannah White. With Alex Thomas, Cath Haddon, and Vimbai Dzimwasha. Produced by Milo Hynes Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Staggering, incredible, unforgivable, furious. Kirstarmer hasn't held back in his verdict of who made mistakes in the process of appointing Peter Mandelson as the UK's ambassador to the US, but has a tumultuous week of blame gaming

0:22.2

ended the row. I'm Hannah White and this is Inside Briefing, the podcast from the Institute for Government.

0:28.6

Now, it is Wednesday afternoon as we're recording and the seventh day running that Westminster

0:33.0

is gripped by the continuing fallout of the Peter Mandelson vetting scandal.

0:38.4

The Prime Minister has had his say, Olly Robbins, the man the PM fired as Foreign Office permanent secretary,

0:43.1

has told his side of the story too. So what happens next? The pressure is on Kirstama. A lot of Labour

0:50.0

MPs are unhappy, and that's before what is expected to be a set of bruising elections in May.

0:56.0

A huge number of civil servants are also deeply demoralised, with low levels of trust between

1:00.8

ministers and officials taking yet another blow. And the Foreign Office is without a permanent

1:06.2

secretary at a time when quite a lot is going on in the world, a far from ideal situation.

1:11.7

So can the PM get things back on track and move on from a scandal that just will not seem to go away?

1:17.0

That's what we'll be exploring on today's podcast.

1:20.0

And we also have a rather well-timed new IFG report out this week,

1:24.5

a paper setting out how civil servants can best handle major crises.

1:29.0

We'll speak to its author. With me for the whole of the pod, it is going to be IFG executive

1:34.4

director Alex Thomas, who was away for his birthday. Happy birthday, Alex. When this story unfolded

1:40.0

over the weekend, please tell me you did not spend your time focusing on it. Well, maybe just a little bit, but I suspect I had a more enjoyable birthday than one Sir Oliver Robbins, who pointed out to the Foreign Affairs Select Committee that it was also his birthday on Monday, so he and I share our special day. And we have senior fellow Kath Hadden back. You've also been on leave. Yeah, and I was switched off entirely.

2:01.5

I was just looking back on my WhatsApp. I think the first that I knew about it was a friend saying,

2:06.4

is Olly Robbins in trouble? And then sending me the story. So I didn't know anything about it until

2:12.1

I got a WhatsApp, but have been very much immersed in it since I've been back in the office.

2:17.6

And I'm delighted that we are joined today by someone who really knows how the Foreign

2:21.1

Office and the Civil Service work. And that's Lord Ricketts, former Foreign Office

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