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'Starmer's trip to China was a humiliation': Wild Swans author Jung Chang hits out at PM

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🗓️ 8 February 2026

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Keir Starmer’s visit to Beijing was meant to signal a reset in Britain’s relationship with China. Instead, it has sparked fresh questions about how far the UK should go in courting a global superpower accused of sliding back towards authoritarian rule.


On today’s Daily T, Camilla and Tim speak to bestselling author Jung Chang, whose latest book Fly, Wild Swans traces China’s path from the horrors of Mao’s Cultural Revolution to the Xi Jinping era. Chang argues that Western leaders are ignoring uncomfortable truths about modern China, and warns that the country risks drifting back towards a darker past.


She also reflects on her own extraordinary story: growing up under Mao, watching her father persecuted, and eventually escaping to Britain, where she would go on to write one of the most influential accounts of modern China ever published. So, as Britain looks east for trade and diplomacy, are we forgetting the lessons of history?


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0:00.0

The Telegraph.

0:05.0

She survived China's cultural revolution and her book, Wild Swans, is the definitive take on life in a communist dystopia.

0:18.0

Today, Jung Chang joins us on the Daily Tea and tells us she feels the

0:22.0

Prime Minister's recent trip to Beijing was a complete and utter humiliation. Welcome to the Daily Tea

0:27.8

with me, Tim Stanley. And me, Camilla Tomini. Jung Chang, bestselling writer and critic of modern China, thank you for joining the daily tea.

0:47.3

Thank you very much.

0:48.7

The question we ask everyone is, if you could have tea with anyone in history, who would it be?

0:53.5

And would you like a cup of tea? I think I would very much like to have a cup have tea with anyone in history, who would it be? And would you like a cup of tea?

0:55.1

I think I would very much like to have a cup of tea with Empress Starajer Tsashi,

1:00.6

the last great royal ruler of China.

1:05.1

And she was born in 1835, and in 1861 she started the palace cool and became the power behind the throne

1:16.1

and the ruler of China behind her five-year-old son, the new emperor.

1:25.4

And she brought modernity to China.

1:29.3

She brought medieval China into modernity.

1:34.3

She opened the door of China.

1:38.3

And her last project before she died in 1908 was to turn China into a constitutional monarchy, like on the model of Britain.

1:50.5

Unfortunately, she died before the project was complete.

1:56.0

But for more than 100 years, she'd been maligned for being the source of, have you heard of this 100 year humiliation?

2:05.6

Yes.

2:06.6

So to China suffered.

2:08.6

But I mean, she was a child when opium war started.

2:12.6

Actually, I must say, as she was the person who banned, who was the first person to ban foot binding.

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