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Hello, I'm Hugo Rifkind, and now we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day

from the tricky politics of another prime ministerial u-turn to the rise of vigilante MPs

and why being on the radio mostly resembles falling down a mountain.

And joining me now as I descend down the mountain it's Seb Payne hello Seb

hello Hugo at the top of the mountain for you on this Monday morning right and Jane

McCarran's here to give him a shove I was gonna say I was gonna say who am I pushing down

the mountain or being pushed by this morning yeah I see you as more of a pusher than a

pushy oh okay we'll unpack that later as well. Yeah, yeah, don't you think? Yeah. Who would

Seb, who would you rather push down a mountain? Me or Jane? Well, given that, I'd like to come

back on this program again. Jane, sorry, you'll go. Oh dear, oh dear, wow. It's good, it's a good job

I don't hold a grudge, Seb. Got off to a rather tense and awkward start, I'd say. But you made that. I was going to say, that was entirely your fault here.

Yeah, you literally shoved us both down a mountain then.

I mean, it's a very...

It's your show, it's fine.

It's a very shallow mountain.

It's more of a sort of rolling down a slightly steep plane.

Let's, we'll come back to the mountain later.

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