Hello, hello, I'm Hugo Rifkin, and now we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day.

Kistama considers defense cuts. Nigel Farage takes on Westminster,

and another minister is caught bad-mouthing colleagues in private messages to Peter Mandelson.

With me in the studio, with disappearing messages firmly on. It is The Times is Matthew Paris. Hello, Matthew. Hello. How are you? Pretty good, pretty good. These disappearing messages, how do you get them? I think I could do with them. We'll discuss that in a moment. And also, Cindy, you. Hello, Cindy. Explain to Matthew how you turn your disappearing messages on. It's in your WhatsApp settings.

But I actually hate them because when you try to arrange a lunch or something with someone and they've got it, you're like, you have no record of anything at all. Yeah, too disappearing. Also, you can't you? Everyone knows. Yeah, well then you have loads of WhatsApp screenshots in your phone and you look a bit like a maniac. Well, you need to have a second phone to photograph your phone.

This is what the hardcore happens. well then you have loads of WhatsApp screenshots in your phone and you look a bit like a maniac. Well, you need to have a second phone to photograph your phone.

This is what the hardcore hacks do. We'll come back to all that in a minute. I'm not sure I've ever WhatsApp to you, Matt. I thought you were more of a text message sort of man. Yes, I tend to be. Yeah, I don't think you can make this disappear. No, no.

You'll have to have your phone stutter and I'll drop it off a boat.

I do WhatsApp, you know. I'm down with the kids.

Well, we should...

I think I have WhatsApp to you. Yes. I feel awfully left out. We must move on. Look, let's start. We'll come back to that later. Let's start with what was happening in PMQs yesterday, particularly with the exchange between Nigel Farage and Kirsteimer on two-tier policing.

It's relatively extraordinary. Take a listen.

The anger that you saw spilling out in Southampton last night.

And which is in danger. Condemned the violence. which is in danger,

condemn the violence.

Which is in danger of getting considerably worse.

Because if the public lose trust in being treated fairly by the police.

I mean, relatively extraordinary. Matthew, there are between four and six Reform MPs. I can never quite keep track, but pretty much everyone else in the House of Commons yesterday was shouting at Nigel Farage. Yes. Fairly extraordinary. Do you think he minds or do you think he loves it? He loves it. And I think his supporters will love him all the more for it they'll say our man there in

Westminster they're all laughing at him the establishment elite they're all jeering they're all shouting

good for you Nigel I'm afraid that's that's how it'll play I mean there was Cindy it did seem like

there was real anger towards him the speaker didn't intervene so let them carry on. It felt almost kind of a bit, you know, like sort of Roman in a way. Do you know what I mean? Right, yeah, sure. I mean, I think people who might have been sympathetic to him, especially on the conservative benches, were probably so appalled by the Reform Party's social media posting about Kemi Bajnog after this. Spel that out to us because people might not have heard about it. Yeah, and correct me if I quote this wrong, but Kemi Bajernock a few years ago said I don't want to hear about, actually, let me find out the precise... I can tell you what it was. Yeah, yeah, please, yeah. Basically, years ago, she said that she supported Black Lives Matters. This is quite a long time ago,

which is a young black woman, is not necessarily surprising. She said, just the other day,

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