I just feel like identifying how you work and understanding that it's not like it's not

a flawed way.

It's just that there's boring people who are in charge and want you to think it's flawed

is really helpful to me.

From the Ted Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Romano.

For 18 years, Debbie Moment has been talking with designers and other creative people

about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about

and working on.

On this episode, Starly Kind talks about the making of her celebrated podcast, Mystery

Show.

I feel like a lot of people are like the journeys even more interesting than the solving.

I wanted the solving to also be interesting.

I wanted it all to be interesting.

We have the interview, starting tag in February of the 2022 on Air Fasting, Brooklyn, New

York.

Hello, Starly.

Hi.

This past New Year's Day, my wife and I were channel surfing and came upon a marathon

and airing on the Sundance channel of one of my favorite television shows as I was growing

up and we not only spent the rest of the day engrossed in the show, but we ended up watching

the entire ten seasons over the course of the rest of the month.

All of January was dedicated to this show.

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