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The Rich Roll Podcast

Stanford Professors Bill Burnett & Dave Evans On How To Design A Meaningful Life

The Rich Roll Podcast

Rich Roll

Education, Society & Culture, Self-improvement, Health & Fitness

4.713.3K Ratings

🗓️ 16 March 2026

⏱️ 124 minutes

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Summary

Bill Burnett and Dave Evans created perhaps the most popular course at Stanford, "Designing Your Life," and co-authored the book "How to Live a Meaningful Life." This conversation explores the intersection of product design and personal development. We discuss the loneliness epidemic, why there is no best self, curiosity as the gateway drug to wonder, the transactional world versus the flow world, and why the wisest people across every tradition all arrive at the same conclusion. This one broke me open in the best way possible. Enjoy! Show notes + MORE Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up Today's Sponsors: Rivian: Electric vehicles that keep the world adventurous forever👉🏼https://www.rivian.com  Seed: Use code RICHROLL25 for 25% OFF your first order👉🏼https://www.seed.com/RichRoll  BetterHelp: Get 10% OFF the first month👉🏼https://www.betterhelp.com/richroll  Go Brewing: Use the code Rich Roll for 15% OFF👉🏼https://www.gobrewing.com  WHOOP: The all-new WHOOP 5.0 is here! Get your first month FREE👉🏼https://www.join.whoop.com/Roll  Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors👉🏼https://www.richroll.com/sponsors Find out more about Voicing Change Media at https://www.voicingchange.media and follow us @voicingchange

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0:00.0

This episode is sponsored by Rivian. In sport, in creativity, in life, we're all chasing flow,

0:07.9

that state that bends time, where everything goes quiet and you feel connected to your intuition.

0:14.9

And otherwise hard things suddenly feel effortless. This is what driving a Rivian-all-electricelectric vehicle feels like to me, and I gotta tell you, it's pretty awesome.

0:25.6

It starts with a small habit, plugging in at night.

0:28.6

That simple click replaces the whole gas station ritual.

0:32.6

You wake up every morning with a full tank ready to go. And once the door closes, the world goes

0:39.2

quiet. The motor is silent. The cabin feels like a sanctuary. The sound system turns the car

0:45.2

into a private concert hall or the perfect place to actually listen to a podcast and decompress.

0:52.9

But the point of this incredible technology, and it is

0:57.1

incredible tech, is to serve function. So it stays out of your way until you need it. The climate

1:03.6

is already perfect. Traffic stress melts away. And when you're ready to move, the power is instant,

1:09.7

smooth, quiet, completely effortless,

1:12.4

and capable of traversing the most rugged environments.

1:16.8

It's wild to enjoy such luxury and elegance in what is built to be an all-terrain vehicle,

1:23.0

but Rivian over delivers.

1:25.3

And no matter where it takes me, which is basically everywhere,

1:28.9

I arrive, recharged.

1:32.9

This is the greatest crisis of meaning

1:36.0

in the history of the species.

1:38.6

You want to live more meaningfully?

1:40.4

We can help you with that.

1:41.5

Meaning is that which...

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