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The Times Tech Podcast

Stanford Internet Observatory’s Renee Diresta: “Sharpies, CIA supercomputers and human antennas”

The Times Tech Podcast

Will Morley

Business, Unknown, Technology

4.9654 Ratings

🗓️ 20 November 2020

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

The Sunday Times’ tech correspondent brings on Renee DiResta of the Stanford INternet Observatory to talk about how Twitter handled 2020 (3:30), mainstream media getting a pass (40), Facebook groups (9:45), Sharpiegate (8:30), the election day war room (11:45), conspiracy “tickets” (15:00), how conspiracies spread (16:45), Trump’s centrality to the voter fraud posts (21:40), how these theories play out in the real world (26:40), the low cost to spreading misinformation (28:45), how 2020 compares to 2016 (33:30), Covid vaccines as the next target (36:20), whats changed between the first tech hearing and the most recent (39:00), and what Tiktok learned (41:30).

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0:00.0

Yo! Technology. What is it all about?

0:04.4

Everybody wants to do something. And both Democrats and Republicans believe that the tech platforms have grown too powerful. They decide what you see.

0:12.5

That is not something I disagree with. They are very powerful and they do decide what you see.

0:16.4

But that's where the common sense of the problem ends.

0:37.4

Hello and welcome to Danny in the Valley, your weekly dispatch from behind the scenes and inside the minds of the top people in tech. I'm your host,

0:39.2

Danny Forts in the West Coast correspondent for the Sunday Times, and I'm feeling good.

0:45.6

Two days away from having a week off for Thanksgiving. And the plan is to eat until I pass out.

0:54.8

And that is it.

0:55.7

That's the plan.

0:57.0

I can't wait.

0:58.0

But before I go, often do that, I wanted to answer a question, which is, how should we feel about social media in 2020?

1:06.7

Specifically, the job that Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, and the rest are doing when it comes to stopping

1:11.8

or slowing disinformation, misinformation, misinformation, conspiracies, everything else.

1:16.9

And obviously we just had the election.

1:18.6

And it made me think back, of course, to 2016 and everything that went wrong there.

1:22.8

And now here we are.

1:24.2

We just had what appears to have been a free and fair election that was largely free of the

1:28.1

kind of big state-sponsored disinformation campaigns that swayed things one or way or the other, at least as far as we know right now.

1:37.0

But now we are being bombarded with all kinds of conspiracy theories anyway about the election, you know, potential fraud and all that stuff.

1:44.6

Of course, a lot of this is being driven by our president.

1:47.2

But there's perhaps no one better to give us a social media health check than this week's

1:51.6

guest who's Renee de Resta.

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