We are committed to the proposition that there is a God and that he has spoken and the world is going to

sneer at us over a lot of these things, but we have resources to challenge those

sneers and say, you may sneer all you want, but how are you going to answer these claims and these

arguments in defense of our position?

Well, I think all of us who recognize our current cultural climate want to have that kind of boldness.

Welcome to renewing your mind on this Saturday, I'm Lee Webb. And today, doctors W. Robert

Gottfried and Stephen Nichols consider what it looks like to contend for the faith once for

all delivered to the saints, even when we're persecuted. Let's join our moderator for this session,

our president and CEO, Chris Larson.

I came into understand a reform theology through Dr. Schroels teaching and it was really his illuminating

of church history and the way that he would uniquely make some theological points,

exegetical points, but he would do it through the illustration of church history. And of course,

he just had this illustrative style of just bringing history to life. And I wasn't a very good

student. I was publicly educated in these United States. And I know you can all feel very sorry

for me about that. But there was something captivating about the way that he would teach. And I

would come to find out later that all he was really trying to do through his own teaching

was just to get us to go back to the past and to continue to carry forward the truth that

has already been delivered to us, from Christ to the apostles to the early church and how

God has continued to build his church through the ages. And I'm thankful for this session

to be able to talk with two church historians because it's a subject that I think a lot of

people are drawn to reform theology through this study of church history. And in this moment

where everybody in the church feels a little bit dislocated and thinking about how to

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