Now it's time for the last word with the great Lawrence O'Donnell. Good evening, Lawrence.

Good evening, Rachel. And that's not going to do it for you right now. You just had the biggest

interview of the year so far on MSNBC. So, okay, tell us everything that you discussed during the

commercial breaks?

I will say I am an awkward person who doesn't get along with people very well writ large,

just as a general thing about me.

I'm a hermit.

I'm a pineapple who lives under the sea.

But I get along really well with Vice President Harris in the sense that I find her easy to talk to. And what that means is that when we're off camera, like when we're in the

commercial breaks, the conversation kind of just kept going the way that it was on camera. We

were talking about what she was saying about Trump not bringing down prices and the

issue about health premiums about to go up and Republicans not having any plans to go along

with Trump not having any plans and Democrats needing to be able to articulate that and build

up their stars more than they do and that there's so much good talent in the Democratic Party.

So it wasn't it wasn't anything juicier than what you got on the air, but she's really fired up and ready to go.

I will say that.

So I haven't read the book.

And so that passage that you mentioned that has gotten a lot of controversial coverage, where she talks about Joe Biden making

the decision to run for a second term, and then it being up to him in the end to decide not to.

And she uses the word recklessness in that passage. And tonight in discussions with you, she includes herself in that recklessness

that she's describing. Does that track with the text of the book? Yes, it does. I mean,

what she says is she expresses regret for not having done more, I think, to help the White House arrive at the right decision

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