Welcome to the Crazy Love podcast. Have we reduced church to something predictable, something we can control, to where we've just settled for church being fine?

But what if the most powerful part of gathering isn't something we can create at all?

In this episode of Staff Talks, Francis unpacks what it means to be stewards of the mysteries of God,

and how to move from managing church to actually experiencing his presence.

Yeah, there was a lot of stuff in these last few days, a lot of things.

From a biblical worldview, he says, don't stare at what's seen, because that's all temporary,

stare at what is unseen. That's what's seen because that's all temporary stare at what is unseen that's what's eternal and

it just heightened my imagination of what is real how much is downloaded to me from God himself that is not all cognitive like oh I saw it or I heard it

I mean that's what biblical that's first Corinthians too no eye is seen no ears heard no mind

is conceived these things that God has revealed to us by his spirit.

And, you know, she's talking about the demonic side and musicians who will just swear that now I got that from another being.

You know, that's a lot of the stuff we listen to guys that, you know,

what's the name of the famous demon, slim shady or, you know, whatever.

It's like, you know, they say I call up these, this being that tells me this or that.

And meanwhile, as believers, we really believe that the Holy Spirit can just communicate to us.

And even, you know, like the message I gave it at vintage, it was just like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, oh my gosh.

It was just very like, sometimes it just flows. It's like, wow, I feel like I got a crazy

killer outline. I didn't even get to it all, but it was just like, how did that all come so

quickly and so outlined so well? It's only happened a couple times. So a couple things.

One, God was just showing me again, like some of the stuff we take for granted in other places,

like a Pepperdine or vintage or some of these gatherings, like it's mind-blowing to some people what we just kind of assume.

And we've all known that to some degree.

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