We have to reclaim the patriotism that we all say spurs us. We have to call the cowards what they are,

and we have to defeat them at their own game by showing up despite what they tried to do to stop us.

Hi, everyone, and welcome to the Best People podcast.

This week's guest is a badass.

She turned red state blue.

She is a New York Times best-selling novelist.

Her mission statement in the Georgia Statehouse was to stop or slow

stupid, and now she is tackling autocracy in our country. This is the Best People podcast, and this is

Stacey Abrams. I'm so happy you're here. Thank you for having me.

I love Stop Stupid because I think that what we have to do now is scale that. And I think it's so much less, it creates action as opposed to paralysis. And I think your expertise in autocracy sinks up so perfectly

with that mission statement of stopping stupid that I want to ask you to put those two hats on at

the same time and take us through it. Absolutely. When I was in the legislature, my title was

minority leader. They give you leader to make you feel good.

They put minority in front of it.

So you never get confused about the level of power that you hold.

Keep you in your place.

Exactly.

And often we see that minority status as both an excuse for not achieving, but also it becomes the borderline that tells you can't move

any further. What I told my colleagues when I asked for the job was, look, look, I've been

a minority for a very long time. I am really good at it. And in this moment, we are in the

minority in terms of recognizable political power. We do not hold the House. We do not

hold the Senate. We do, the court has, at least at the highest level, has abandoned its obligations.

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