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It is Friday, January 16th.

And when you hear that a woman was stabbed more than 20 times, but her death has ruled a suicide, you're going to have questions.

But now, here we are 15 years after the death

of Ellen Greenberg, the federal government seems to have some questions about this, too.

Finally, and with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and T.J. Fascinating case, that's the first

question. How is it possible that someone who is stabbed 20 times, you're going to tell me that's a suicide? Yes. And imagine being the parents of Ellen Greenberg

and you find out that your 27-year-old daughter who is seemingly happy engaged, she has a fiancé,

she's a school teacher, that all of a sudden she is found in her kitchen in Philadelphia

with all of these stab wounds, including a 10- is found in her kitchen in Philadelphia with all of these stab wounds,

including a 10-inch knife in her chest, that she died by suicide and not by homicide that has

never sat well with her parents who have said our daughter did not commit suicide. We know that

she was murdered. However,

her official cause of death is suicide. To anybody with common sense, that just doesn't make

sense. Now, you're curious and you want to hear some more answers, and we'll get into some of the

back and forth, but one medical examiner rules it a homicide and comes back

and said a suicide. And then another group says, no, we think it's a suicide. And another group says,

so it's been a lot of back and forth. The official ruling, we should say, is in fact that she died

by suicide. There has, at least as far as I have seen, Roams, never actually had a suspect,

never had anybody under investigation, in this

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