You're listening to a podcast on Catholic Saints. This podcast is produced by the Augustine Institute,

an apostolate helping Catholics understand, live, and share their faith. I'm Tim Gray, president of the

Augustine's, and with me is Dr. Michael Barber, who is a professor of biblical studies here at the

Augustine Institute.

It's our joy to be with you, and we're going to be talking about the conversion of St. Paul.

And this is just a great, great story.

St. Paul is a tremendous figure in the early church.

He really stands second only to Peter and to Jesus, our Lord. And he's so

influential for Christianity and in so many, many ways. And we're going to talk about his conversion,

which really will lay a lot of the foundation for so much of his fascinating life and his

mission and ministry. And I'm excited to talk about this with Dr. Barber because he's a dear friend.

He loves St. Paul at the Augustine Institute.

He teaches our course on St. Paul.

We've taught it together in the past, and that was a lot of joy.

And so this conversation is going to go by fast, I know.

And I also want to highlight a new book by Dr. Barber that is just phenomenal.

Paul, a new covenant Jew, and it's about rethinking Pauling theology. And Dr. Barber did this with two friends of his, friends of mine too, John Kincaid, who's at University of Mary, which is a great college,

and Dr. Brand Petrie, who's a professor here at the August Institute as well, and just one of the leading biblical scholars.

And so this is a fabulous new book on Paul, and there's really a dramatic change that's happening in the view of St. Paul in biblical scholarship.

And it's been bubbling up for several decades now, but I really think you're able to crystallize

a lot of the changes in movements in the understanding of St. Paul in this book, and it's really

exciting to see Catholic biblical scholars all of a sudden taking the baton and starting to lead

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