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Hello, and welcome to Catholic Saints, the podcast about the lives of the saints and their legacy for the church and for us.

I'm Dr. Elizabeth Klein and I'm joined today by Dr. Michael Barber to talk about St. Matthias. Welcome to the show, Dr. Barber.

Thanks for having me here, Dr. Klein. I'm having a lot of fun talking to Dr. Barber. Thanks for having me here, Dr. Klein.

I'm having a lot of fun talking to Dr. Barber about biblical saints.

He is one of our resident biblical scholars.

So I wanted to ask you, what are you teaching this term?

I know you just finished.

Yeah, we're teaching this term.

We're finishing up St. Paul.

So a wonderful class where we get to go through all of Paul's letters and think about the way Paul solves pastoral problems by reflecting on the mystery of Christ and light of the scriptures of Israel.

That's great. I hadn't even thought about that until you just mentioned it.

But yes, it is true that when Paul is trying to solve mundane problems, he goes right to the sublime, doesn't he? It's really funny. Yeah, he doesn't have mercy on these poor Gentile believers who don't know anything about the scriptures. He just throws him right into, all right, well, let me tell you, there are two women, and they represent two covenants, and there's Hagar, and there's, you know, Sarah, and you're like, oh, okay. Problems in your marriage? Christ in the church. Exactly. All right, well, we're here to talk about St. Matthias. We were joking before we started, that St. Matthias had some easy boots to fill in replacing Judas. But why don't you get us? Where does St. Matthias mention in Scripture and sort of what thoughts do you

have to have about those passages?

Yeah. So we find Matthias introduced to us in the Book of Acts, which is of course presented

to us as the sequel of the Gospel of Luke.

And there in the Acts of the Apostles, who read the story about how Peter stood up and said

to those who were the earliest believers, there are about 120 of them, brothers and sisters,

the scriptures had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke beforehand through David.

And then he says, what he spoke about? Judas, who was a guide for those who arrested Jesus.

And Peter points out that Judas had been numbered among us, among the 12, and was allotted a share in this ministry. And then Luke gives us a little

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