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Welcome to Form Now. I'm Tim Gray, President of the Augustine Institute, and joining me as a special guest and a dear friend, Dr. Sean Inerst who is a professor here at the Augustine Institute, as well as at St. John Vianney Seminary in Denver.

And Sean is also one of the co-founders of the Augustin Institute. He was here at the very beginning of the founding of the August Institute and was one of our pillars.

And we're going to talk about St. Joseph of Cupertino.

St. Joseph is an interesting Franciscan and he was a simple soul, a holy soul.

And probably the best thing to do, you know, he's right at the beginning of the 17th century.

And so maybe we want to place him where he's at as a Franciscan at the beginning of, well,

at the story of what's going on with the Franciscan order at that time.

Because a lot of people don't know that the Franciscans start, end up having some different

groupings and some different development in the Franciscan order.

So you want to talk about?

Yeah.

The Franciscan movement, which was pretty much a solid singular expression under what's generally referred to as the Order of Friars Minor,

existed in relative peace for about 300 years after Francis. So the Francis

died in 1226, and the Franciscan order, which he founded, obviously, begins about the year

1209, 1210. And until about the time of the Reformation, actually, they really did have a kind of

unified expression under that one title, Order of Friars Minor. And it's not until certain tensions

developed, we'll say, between that group which is referred to as the observance

and those which are called Conventuals. So the Conventuals is the group that St. Joseph

Cupertino belongs to. And they were thought to be somewhat lax at the time because they wanted

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