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an Apostolate helping Catholics understand, live, and share their faith.

Welcome to Catholic Saints.

My name is Mary McGeehan, and today we are joined with Dr. James Perthro, Professor of Sacred

Scripture and Theology.

Thank you for being with us today.

Thank you so much for having me.

And on this episode of Catholic Saints, we're going to talk about St. James the Lesser.

So our goal for Catholic Saints is to learn about the saints in heaven and

look to them for inspiration for our lives today. So St. James the Lesser, to be confused

with many other St. James in Scripture. So there's a lot of James out there. And I don't

think we actually know that much about St. James the Lesser. But who is he? Where does he come from?

Okay.

Let's start there.

Absolutely. So one thing to do is there's lots of Jameses, because I think we actually

know a fair bit about this particular James.

So in the number of the 12 disciples, according to Matthew, Mark and Luke, there's two Jameses.

Yes.

So there's Peter, James, and John, the sort of three central ones, and that's James, the son of Zebedee, who's John's brother, right?

Jesus comes, finds him in the boat.

They leave their dad.

They go with him, right? And that's, he's called James the greater, either because

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