You're listening to a podcast on Catholic Saints. This podcast is produced by the Augustine Institute,

an apostolate helping Catholics understand, live, and share their faith. I'm Tim Gray, president of the

Augustine Institute, and joining me today is Dr. Elizabeth Klein, who is a colleague and a friend and a professor

here of theology at the Augustine as well. And we're going to talk about St. Augustine and why he

is the patron of the Augustine Institute, why we chose him to be our patron. And that's a, it's a great

story and also just talking about Augustine, which is going to be great. And Dr. Klein, you did your dissertation on St. Augustine. So he did quite a lot of work on him. Yeah, I did my dissertation on Augustine and Augustine is my patron that I took as my confirmation name. And now I work at a place where Augustine is a patron. And yeah, so I'm the one who chose the topic, but I just want to talk

about Augustine. But I, when I first came here and to have two images of Augustine in our chapel

and a relic of St. Augustine and St. Monica, it's very, very special for me to feel his presence here.

And it may not be apparent to everyone why Augustine would be the patron of an institute sort of dedicated to the

new evangelization. Of course, we think of Pope St. John Paul II as the one who coined the phrase

new evangelization, and there are lots and lots of saints as we think of as sort of evangelizers,

someone like maybe St. Francis Xavier. So I thought it would be fun to talk about why Augustine is such a

fitting patron. I think he's the perfect patron for the Augustine Institute, and obviously you did too.

Well, it was perfect. I mean, it was, we had to hire you when we, you know, it was perfect to have you

come because of your doctoral studies and your background, and then, of course, your confirmation

name, too. And that was chosen later on. You were a convert. Yeah, so I've just been Catholic almost about four years. So, I mean, there wasn't any question after I'd worked on Augustine for so long that who, you know, he was already my patron in spirit, if not in fact, before then. Oh, that's terrific. And of course, you mentioned we have this icon of St. Augustine that we commissioned

that's in our chapel, and it's a beautiful icon of St. Augustine. And of course, you'll notice that

and pretty traditionally from the 9th century on, any classic art or depiction of St. Augustine

usually has two things in that picture, whether it's a statue or a piece

of artwork. It usually has a heart, and so you see Augustine holding the heart, usually on fire,

because his heart is restless until it rests in God, as he says in the beginning of the confessions,

and he's got this great ardor, this great love for God. And then also you always have books. So Augustine's usually

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