You're listening to be. Hello and welcome to Spycast from the Secret Files of the International Spy Museum in

Washington DC. I'm Mark Stout historian of the museum. I'm a PhD author and historian who served for 13 years as an analyst in the U.S. Intelligence Community.

Every month, the museum brings you interesting talks with authors,

scholars, and practitioners who has something to do with the world of

intelligence and espionage.

We're joined today by Major General Roland Lejoy, a former Army officer spent 35 years in the U.S. Army in a variety of really interesting positions.

Among them he served as US Army at ASEAN at our embassy in Moscow during the Cold War.

He served as US Defense at ASise at the U.S. Embassy in Paris.

Not long after Desert Storm, he was the first director of the Office of Military Affairs,

basically on loan to the Central Intelligence Agency.

And then in 1994, he retired from the US Army

but continued his service to the government

working in the Pentagon as deputy assistant

to the Secretary of Defense for Cooperative Threat Reduction, and later spent about what six years working jointly in the

or with the Russians in the US Russia Joint Commission on POWs and MIAs, a position he held until 2004.

But what he's here to talk with us about today is about his work in 1983 to 1986 as chief of a little known organization in Germany called

the United States Military Liaison Mission.

It's a little known fact that the United States and also the UK, France, and the Soviet Union

maintained these military liaison missions in Germany during the Cold War.

General Lejoy, welcome.

And just to get started for our audience can you just briefly explain

why these military liaison missions were created and then sort of what they became over time?

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