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British Scandal

Spy Cops | Interview | 4

British Scandal

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Scandal, Exhibit C, True Crime, Society & Culture, Documentary, Matt Forde, Alice Levine, British, History, England, Great Britain

4.47.2K Ratings

🗓️ 3 May 2022

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

Matt and Alice talk to Alison. She tells the story of meeting a fellow activist called Mark Cassidy and falling in love. Little did she know he was in fact an undercover police officer. She is one of eight women who sued the police – and won – after they were tricked into relationships with members of the Metropolitan Police over the course of 25 years.

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0:00.0

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0:06.0

From one dream I'm Alice Levine and I'm Matt Ford and this is British Scandal.

0:24.0

So Matt, what an unbelievable story. What was the bit that got you the most?

0:40.0

The thing that still really nags me is that they went to all this effort, all this emotional abuse, all these lives ruined, just to infiltrate some environmental activists.

0:50.0

Yes, so many men in so many relationships. I think these tactics would be hard to justify if they were infiltrating the IRA or a neo-Nazi group, let alone people that were just trying to protect the environment.

1:00.0

So that really drives me mad. And then the details about how these women manipulated, in different parts of the country, manipulated using that playbook in the same way is really chilling.

1:13.0

Yet so sinister that it's replicated so closely over and over again, men with vans, working away, the dark backstory.

1:21.0

But the thing I think that was kind of inspiring about the story was how the women rallied round to take on the met and force them to apologise.

1:28.0

They met up, created a website and fought back against the institution that had abused them.

1:34.0

And in this episode, we're talking to one of those women. We'll call her Alison, although that isn't her real name. Her story's coming up after this.

1:51.0

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2:24.0

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2:32.0

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2:45.0

Alison, can you tell us how you first became interested in politics?

2:57.0

So I grew up at my mum was very left wing. So there was not sort of my brother studied four years older. He studied international relations at university.

3:07.0

So politics was often discussed around the table at home. I think I joined the later party young socialist when I was about 16.

3:15.0

But I wasn't really doing anything. I think I attended one or two meetings.

3:20.0

And then I was very interested in left wing politics and socialist ideas all through my 20s.

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