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Hey, Chandler Bolt here and joining me today is JJ Virgin.

JJ Virgin is a fitness hall of famer, TV and media personality.

You may have seen her on Dr. Phil, TNC's Freaky Eaters, Dr. Oz, so many other TV shows,

as well as she's a four-time New York Times bestselling author,

The Virgin Diet, a bunch of other books, a bunch of cookbooks, also the creator of Mind Chair I've spoken at in the past. And funny how JJ and I met, I don't think I've ever told you

this story, but it was two great

lessons in this day. So I was speaking at Traffic and Conversion Summit, gosh, it's been years ago.

And I remember it was the last day. And I wasn't even thinking that, you know, I'm speaking

on the afternoon of the last day and a bunch of people had already gone home. And so I was super

bummed because there were like 30 people in the room. And there wasn't anyone in anyone's rooms.

I don't think that day. And but I remember I'm like, I'm going to give it my all. And then

right after you're in the audience and you email me and you're like, hey, I really like this

one thing that you taught. Can you tell me more about that? And I remember it was like two big takeaways for that. One was something we talk

about all the time, Bloom where you're planted. So no matter if there's 10 people in the room,

if there's 10,000 people in the room, give it your all. And then secondly, was just kind of how people who are at the

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