Welcome to the Self Publishing School podcast. This is the podcast to listen to if you're an

aspiring writer or an author who wants to be more successful. On this show, you'll learn how to

write and launch a book successfully, all from the top authors and people just like you

who are doing it at the highest level. I'm your host, Chandler Bolt, the founder

of self-publishing school, the author of the book called Published and the CEO of

Selfpublishing.com. For free training on how to publish a book that sells 10,000 copies,

go to self-publishing.com forward slash free training.

Hey, Chandler Bolt here and joining me today is my good friend Jeff Goins.

Jeff is a full-time writer who lives just outside of Nashville, Tennessee, with his wife, son, and Border Colley.

Love Border Collies. I have one growing up, but he's the author of four books, including the

national bestseller of The Art of

Work. And his website, Goins Rider, has been visited by more than four million people from all over

the world. And if you Google it, how to write a book. He's the number one guy that comes up,

which I'm jealous of. I'm not going to lie. I'm jealous. He's got some prime real estate there.

But he's definitely the guy when it comes to writing, and I just always love chatting with him. You may remember

his interview from the summit last year, so we're going to dive into some different stuff,

so it'll be kind of a little bit of a different take. But Jeff, always great to chat. Good to

have you here. Thanks for having me, Chandler. Good to be here.

Awesome. So I want to start by just diving into, this might go a little deep, pretty fast,

but just I always like to go with the why. And I know last time we talked about why you wrote your first book.

And so I really want to get into like, why do you continue to write? Like what drives you to write?

Well, you know, I really think of writing as my calling, my purpose.

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