Brian Lair on WNYC.

By the way, for those of you who have heard the earlier reference,

looks like we're definitely going to have to do a follow-up segment on the pros and cons of voice memos, who loves them, who hates

them after the earlier segment where they came up. So maybe one of these days next week,

that'll be something on the show. But during this membership drive, we're doing a series

at the end of the show every day that we're calling spring cleaning, organizing

your stuff and your life in six different ways over six different days. Day five today about how we

stay organized when you've got a household full of kids or even just one kid. The clutter tends to

pile up. I don't have to tell you. They outgrow their clothes and toys. They bring home

endless piles of drawings. There are markers and crayons and half-finished craft projects. So it's

helpful to create systems that make the inevitable influx of stuff a little more manageable.

Laura Kinsella is an organizing expert and the founder of Urban Organize. that's NY like New York in the middle of

Organize, and she's with us now to talk through some strategies for keeping your kids stuff in

order. Hey, Laura, welcome to WNRC. Thanks for having me. And you've emphasized, and I'm glad,

that this is not a one-size-fits-all operation, that people should take

into account the particular habits and needs of their family as they figure out how to organize

their kids' stuff. But can you talk about how these systems can be customized to start out?

Absolutely. So organization, as we may already know, it requires knowing what we own and creating a home for everything. So it's easy to access and easy to put away. With kids, it's knowing the phase that we're in. And we have to meet them where they're at developmentally. So that's really to ensure that we can maintain the system. It makes sense. It's really built in for us when we're tired and not

at our best selves. But really, we want to store items where we use them. And we want to strip the

steps involved. So, for example, if we have little ones with their toys, we want to ditch lids.

We want to have open baskets load of the ground, broad categories, a limited amount of

toys. As they grow, it's going to be that rotation, like you said, of things in and out,

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