You're listening to Breakpoint this week, where we're talking about the top stories of the week from a Christian worldview.

Today we're going to talk about the indictment against the Southern Poverty Law Center.

We're also going to talk about a new Gallup poll suggesting young men are returning to religion.

And we're going to talk about a speech from Justice Clarence Thomas that was really profound this week. We are really glad you're going to religion. And we're going to talk about a speech from Justice Clarence Thomas that was

really profound this week. We are really glad you're with us. Stick around. Welcome to Breakpoint

this week. From the Colson Center for Christian Worldview, I'm Maria Bear, alongside John Stone

Street, president of the Colson Center. John, I had a dream that I met the Pope. Can we spend this episode talking through this dream? I really need to talk about it. That's a strange dream. It was very strange. I don't remember what we talked about, but it felt tense. Oh, sorry. You should have taken that as a no. We're not going to talk about it.

That's harsh. Sorry.

Moving right along. Moving right on. Yeah. Sorry, I thought that was obvious.

I will talk to my other podcast co-host about my Pope dreams. For now, let's get to the news, John.

I do want to talk about the Southern Poverty Law Center. Rough week for the SPLC. Perhaps I should not report on this strictly because I'm a little biased. The SPLC did add my husband Aaron's organization to their list of hate groups a couple of years ago. And now and in perpetuity, anytime CCV is referenced in any kind of media, they do the

obligatory, you know, clause afterwards, just noting that they are an SPLC designated hate group.

The SPLC was indicted this week for alleged fraud, including allegedly funding some of the groups that they claim to fight,

like the Ku Klux Klan. Now, the SPLC is claiming that they were paying informants, but I did not

know that that was something you could do outside of law enforcement and still claim like a

plausible distance from any criminal activity, that those informants or that that

money then goes to commit. That is clearly what they're going to try. I mean, officials

from the SPLC say, we're going to vigorously fight this or whatever. Do you think this is the

beginning of what should really be the end of the credibility of this organization, which was founded

to fight for justice on behalf of African Americans who'd been wrongly accused and

criminally punished for crimes they didn't commit. Now it's become this kind of ridiculous,

like we list all the people you shouldn't like organization. Is this

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