And Preston, I think it's very important for the day that we're in right now.

2026, like there is something that is happening in our world that I have no other answer for than the presence of dark powers,

working in and amongst not just non-believers, but believers as well, like the household of God.

Hey, friends, welcome back to another episode of theology around my guest today is my good friend, Dr. Joel Mutimali, who has a PhD in theology.

He's the director of theology and research at Proverbs 31 Ministries with Lisa Turkhurst and the theologian in residence for Haven Place Ministries.

Joel serves on the preaching team at Transformation Church with my other good friend, Dr. Derwin Gray.

And Joel is the author of several books, including the recently released book, The Unseen Battle for my YouTube viewers. Here it is. Cool cover. This is a fantastic book, by the way. I read an earlier

copy and endorsed it. It is really, really good. The subtitle is Spiritual warfare, the three rebellions, and Christ's victory

over dark powers.

Super responsible scholarship, very engaging,

very easy to read, but very thorough

too. And that's what this

conversation is all about. We

peel back the curtain

on the unseen realm, lingering, not just behind the scenes

in the scriptures, but actually plays a significant role in the very storyline of the Bible.

Stay tuned for our extra innings portion of this episode where Joel and I talk about

the Nephilim.

Yes, spiritual beings really did have sex with women and produce giants.

It's all right there in the Bible.

And you can get access to that portion of our conversation by going to patreon.com.com forward slash theology and Rao.

Okay.

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